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bitter irony, that a social media show is talking about social media addictions. a pupil showed that in 2005, 9% of the youth is on social media, now it's to 89%. in 2009, only 1% of seniors are using social media and that's moved up to 83%. and chris, social media is just a neutral tool. it exacerbates loneliness but is also a powerful connect. you the viewer at home you are connecting with us because of one of our guess dats ricky davis all the followers are flooding my twitter feed. he will be on today's show but as always you are the third host of the show and you drive the conversation with your discussion. as always, by live tweeting us by using ajam stream. >> how long could you do without social media, an hour, a day, a
week, do you experience anxiety when viewing your twitter feed? >> wait. my instagram feed is over in an hour. >> hey, want to do a photo shoot of me? instagram. >> that's a i satirical video me by ricky dillon. light hearted not that far off for people. shows what a lot of people feel about social media use. addiction we use loosely. 90% of social sites are used by them, 20% call it addicting. some say social networks have led to the development of disorders. is fear of missing out can cause
people to exulively check their social sites. linked to depression and it's not much of a stretch to think the issue could lead to psychological disorders. social media anxiety disorder as an addiction, an area worthy of further study though. so it's a generation grown up consuming a digital diet, suffering the consequences of over indulgence. in our gooblg plus hang out is julie spira, the rules of netikete. and comedian ricky dillon who makes those youtube video as
part of his being per sonna, second life. what is behind our desire to share the most pedestrian details of our life with those who will share? >> we want to be important and want to be acknowledged. something about having an amazing breakfast, i love food, having like april amazing breakfast and having that acknowledged by your peers, thumbs up, that's wonderful. something about having a mundane life be made extraordinary, that's kind of the surface version of it. if you go a little bit deeper it's also the ability to capture exactly what's going on in our lives right now. one of the things i found is we've been trying capture our lives for millennia, writing on stone tablets or using a polaroid or instagram right now,
things move so fast we really want to capture that moment even more. but unfortunately with the tools we use, we are distracted from those very moments. it's an unusual ironic cycle when we end up posting those online. >> being obsessed with social media, is that a diagnoseable occurrence? >> any you use obsessively can result in a disorder. it's not recognized yet but certainly i wouldn't be surprised if it's going to be included in the next edition of this big book that we use to diagnose emotional distress. so anything you use in in exces, that certainly has a potential of causing problem sufficient to call it a diagnosis.
>> professor, 75% of the youth have a profile on a social networking site and 68% of them text every day, 51% visit social networking sites. thank you common sense for letting us use that graphic. crystallization of ego, broderick says okay, 1 or 2 is fine but mums in a day -- multiples in a day, a bit self-absorbed. do you think it's feeding into this culture of narcissism? >> i think it's self expression honestly. it can be obsessive if you do way too much but if you keep it kind of normal, once a day or twice a day i think it's fine because i mean i post you know quote unquote selfies but it is to express yourself and i guess connect with your friends and
stuff. >> julie spira, what led you to coin the phrase social media anxiety disorder? >> when i was speaking with a lot of my friends in social media and an huge social media enthusiast, people were getting depressed if they weren't getting enough light on themselves, it was a popularity contest. maybe they weren't feeling good about themselves if they weren't getting the recognition they hoped for. >> damon, do you think it's part of the technology which is part of what our culture has adapted to? >> that is part of it, one of the things i thought about going back to socrates time, we have
access now to so much more technology so so much easier to have access to the smartphones to the laptops and so. and i think the rub here is that for people like ourselves, people who have decided to become authors or entertainers are used to having kind of like that public recognition, are used to getting ourselves out there and getting feedback. now we have average citizens who didn't choose to have an audience who are dealing with the pressure of having an audience. make that awesome picture and awesome filter, five million lights on it, that's what i have to do with my life because they're not used to dealing with reality. >> the newer owe newer neurosis.
>> continues and not become addicted to the instant self-gratification of getting lots of lights on facebook picks. professor going to you, we have too culture that needs retweets, facebook shares, plus ones. tell us what these needs having a millennial generation? >> i don't think it's specific to the millennial generation. it happens to be the generation that grew up with technology. and i think i.t -- this is just they happen to live in this technology world. and you mentioned a few factors that influence social media such as self-presentation, the need for self-presentation, you want to be displayed in a most positive way and you want to belong to a group, you need to belong, those are various fundamental human needs. there is nothing wrong with having these kinds of expressions and the need for self-presentation is often
associated with narcissism can neuroticism and some of the neurotic trades. but we have this basic human need to be accepted in a group and to be part of a group. so it's a very basic human need. the problem comes in if you over-use it. if just as anything, if you eat too much or drink too much alcohol or abuse too much sex, whatever that might be, that can become a problem. so within limits i see nothing wrong with it. it's technology that is used for people to form social relationships, and we are basic social animals. humans are social animals. we want to be in contact with other people, as a basic human need. >> speaking of this not being just something that is part of the millennial generation, i have a tweet on my screens from francis r, when i first got facebook got obsessed with games, families spoke up, over 50 crowd can get caught up too.
what happens when you get too caught up, checking into aing clinic for social media disorder, should hospitals offer clinics for social media disorders? we're going to show this after the break. >> so social media addiction is something that's around, just wanted to get an layered from insanta gram. social media addiction is definitely a problem with -- someone just likes my status. 17 likes, that's great, that's great.
keyboard poke that shocks you. any time you overindulge in online distraction. >> they've created pavlov poke. this treatment is not for everyone. julie how do you work with people who think they're addicted to social media? >> just like any addiction we need to sort of modify behavior. so if somebody is posting too many photos of themselves and it's irritating their friends and losing friends i tell them do me a favor, post once a day or twice a day not ten times a day and i think one of the best things you do if you think you're overdoing it is have an unplugging day, pick one day,
maybe a sunday, leave your phone at home unless you're waiting for a liver transplant for god's sake, leave your phone at home. i think it can be very therapeutic. >> one professor at university of maryland, go 24 hours without social media, essentially unplugged. take a look at the effect. >> quite a few students noted for their need for social media had a physical manifestation. students from the united states said they developed physical twitches, twitching of thumbs. many experienced phantom ringing although they tended to call it something different. in short students around the world repeatedly called their level of dependence on media and their friends level of dependence on media as scary.
>> dr. hoffman do people actually experience clinical withdrawal stims from social media? >> in principle it's possible, that there's nothing qualitatively terribly different from sort of substances that lead to addiction behaviors or that are associated with addiction. but what we have to be careful, so in this particular study now, you know as soon as you tell people not to use -- not to do something that they are used to do, they will have a desire to use it. so it's -- it is sort of a -- you have a paradoxical rebound, if i think -- if i ask you not to think of a white bear, you will have this white bear in your head. if i ask you not to think about wine, and you're not a wine
drinker, you have an urge to drink wine. you instruct people to do what they may be able to do. >> our community has a feedback on whether these are social disorders. >> most of us here on a twitter feed probably suffer from the symptoms of social media disorders including me, thank you joshua. but it might be a disorder but isn't it a new normal? there is ptsd, fomo smad separation anxiety, and social media conscious ns, we do our research, there's domestic inferiority complex. are we seeing the manifestation that's always around? >> not new. just a lot more rapid. the whole term of keeping up with the joneses. it is what we're doing when we
look at someone's instagram photos. i was in my honeymoon and i was posting, being in the desert and on a camel. but is it showing off, i'm on a camel and you're not? there's a comparison that happens, sometimes it happens without us even nothing it you know. -- knowing it you know. >> julie, i sometimes talk with my girlfriends and we're saying you're missing the moment, do you think it's a man-woman thing or do you think it affects both sides equally? >> i think it affects both sides. men are usually earlier embracers of technology. but pintingsrest wasn't in our social media a year ago. now it's instagram and pintrest,
they have to maintain. >> derrick says, social media makes you obsessed with staying aware of the motion of the world in real time. julie says it can be argued, if e social media, way of correcting with 270,000 twitter followers, we don't have tweet envy, we actually do, but tell us about the positives, we're talking about the negatives. but do you think social media is helping people connect? >> with that last tweet i agree. it does help communicate, i've made so many friends off youtube and instagram and twitter. it helps to stay connected but obviously, you could go too much and i could get actually anxious from it and it can be a problem but as long as you stay pretty normal with it it's actually pretty cool to meet people through twitter and stuff.
>> dr. hoffman does the conversation change at all when you switch social media use to work? vanity and keeping up with the jones is and your friends, what about these people that are obsessed because it really has become a part of all of our jobs, not just us who do social media shows? it's harder to get away from. there's a justification that it's part of my work, i hear that a lot. does that change how you deal with these folks, 0 you would treat -- how you would treat these folks? >> just to reiterate this last point, i think you know i treat a lot of people with social anxiety disorder, and one mead step or transitional step towards getting into a real or -- real world is connecting with a virtually world. so -- virtual world. so connecting with facebook or twitter can be used as a bridge. and i think the same is true for
work relationships. i think there is flog that can -- you cannot establish good working relationships just through online contact, but suddenly there's flirchgd now that has -- linked in now that has become part of the -- of the regular system, how people communicate in the workplace and how people post their job -- their resumes and so i think this is an extension of us as a way so this is an extension into the virtual world. yet it's an important part of us and it's what often you also hear when people describe facebook, it's a sort of -- it's themselves but portrayed in a sort of different way in a virtual way. more positive way, the way they want to be portrayed or the way they want them to be portrayed. >> professor, here is mitra k who says facebook makes you feel
like an unachieving failure if you click around too lodge. julia says there's an irony we're connecting to the world but social media is increasing isolation and loneliness. what do you feel? >> you are lonely online or off line. i don't think that social media will increase the loneliness of a person in unless they're only validated by how many people they are communicating with. everybody becomes a social brand the day they create a social media site. connecting with just about anybody around the world. at the end of the day, take it off line, if you are happy off line you can be happy online as well. what we talk about after the break, how do you strike that balance, with greatly irony, check out some of the hashtags
>> actually really hate social media. i had to sign up for a social media site and talked to people to get them to be my friends on that site so i could avoid them. >> so you're looking at video scott garner shawt using what he calls antisocial media. safe zone that allows you to avoid coming in contact with your friends, based on where they check in with social media. david, one extreme or the other. how do you strike a balance? >> by being thoughtful. one of the things i talk about in a book, if you are having a moment where your daughter is blowing out the candles on the
cake, and you have got the lighting just right, you're missing the moment. you should let go and enjoy the moment. i try to be thoughtful, where my ever single day of my work requires social media. so i try to take like an hour or two every morning, do the twitter, facebook all that stuff, then get to writing and research and getting back with my clients, face-to-face, do what i do, just moderation. >> here is community, azi says one of these social media tools it works, but only if you really want it to. and check out social media apps that keep you from engaging in social media, self control, time out, and my favorite, nuclear option. julie, going to you, are engaging these apps the way to do? is there a way to strike the
balance? that's another way. >> i'm getting exhausted thinking about another app. the best thing you can do is everybody is on a different digital page. it bothers me that everybody is staring at their phones, not speaking to each other. don't grab your cell phone and start shooting your food. by the way, i like taking pictures of food, do you mind if i post it to instagram? rudely pulling out your phone and people think they're being ignored and less important than you are. >> dr. hoffman, talk about where internet psychotherapy is going? >> internet-based psychotherapy is huge, it is a huge estate, it is something you can't take away the human factor but there are ways to combine the human factor with internet-based therapy.
so in england they instituted and step care approach as part of what is called improving access to psychological care. a very big initiative in england. so for the initial step is to have simply cocted with d -- connected to internet sides, if you need additional care a provider will talk to you on the phone or via skype or if you need additional care you can see someone one to one. >> very good, something did come of it. >> absolutely. >> interesting websites will quowlcontinuously emerge. right now instagram and tomorrow something else and the whole thing repeats? >> i think it would take a long time. twitter has been around for four, five years. i don't know what vine is but in vine it's probably like the
newest big thing. like quick load videos. there's always something new that comes out that's pretty popular. >> julie we have about 30 seconds for us. wrap this pickup. >> social media anxiety disorder, take it with an additional grain of salt. if you feel like you're obsessed with it not feeling good, just take a break. >> a few seconds left. damon. >> be aware of what you're doing. we have an automatic sense to grab our phone or to tweet something we hear. maybe we should let it go and see what happens and maybe we'll learn something. >> good advance. damon brown stefan hoffman, and dr. hoffman, until then waj and i will see you online.
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